Question #e4eae

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Oct 15, 2016

By the law of simple pendulum we know

"Time period"(T) prop"Effective length"(sqrtL)Time period(T)Effective length(L)

Let the time period of the 1st pendulum having effective length L_1=90cmL1=90cm be " "T_1s T1s

And the time period of the 2nd pendulum having effective length L_2=100cmL2=100cm be " "T_2s T2s

So by the law T_2/T_1=sqrt(L_2/L_1).....(1)

Let the two pendulum starts oscillation in same phase and after a minimum time t sec they again become in the same phase. During this t sec the 1st pendulum oscillates N_1times and the 2ndpendulum oscillates N_2times

So t=N_1xxT_1=N_2xxT_2

=>N_1/N_2=T_2/T_1.....(2)

Comparing (1) and (2)

=>N_1/N_2=T_2/T_1=sqrt(L_2/L_1)=sqrt(100/90)=sqrt10/3=3.16/3~~1.05=21/20

So 1st pendulum will oscillate 21 times and 2nd one will oscillate 20 times before they come to same phase again.

But if we take the ratio in inverted way as follows we get different result.

Then N_2/N_1=sqrt0.9~~0.95=19/20

Here 1st pendulum will oscillate 20 times and 2nd one will oscillate 19 times before they come to same phase again.

The graph given by respected Gio approximately matches with the second result but does not exactly match with any one.So it may be inferred that the pendulum never exactly comes to the same phase again.

copied from Gio

Oct 15, 2016

Don't think they ever need to get back in phase; but if they do, an iterative computer solution is needed and that will produce an answer that depends on how much rounding you allow to happen.

Explanation:

The period of a simple pendulum [small angle of oscillation assumed] is:

T = 2 pi sqrt(l/g)

From just plugging the numbers into the period formula [I mirrored this is a spreadsheet so as at least to preserve Excel standard rounding accuracy, shorter numbers are re-produced here]:

T_(0.9) approx 1.903s

T_1 approx 2s

delta T = T_1 - T_(0.9) approx 0.103s

To make it easier, imagine 2 runners racing round a tracking starting on the starting line at t = 0.

The faster completes a lap in T_(0.9), the slower in T_1. So each time the faster crosses the line, he has gained a further delta T on the slower runner.

When Sigma delta T = T_1, the faster runner knows he is a full lap ahead because that it how long it takes the slower runner to lap the track.

Turning to the pendulum, if l_(0.9) is in phase with l_1 again after alpha complete oscillations of l_(0.9), then alpha * 0.103 = 2 implies alpha = 19.5

That happens at time t = 19.5 * 1.903 = 37.1

However alpha notin mathcal Z, ie this is not a set of complete oscillations for l_(0.9). They are not in phase as such. Using the running analogy, the runners meet short of a complete circuit of the track.

Plotted it on Desmos and they're not matching up as being in phase

Desmos

Not sure where to go from here. I have asked Wolfram to solve the oscillation as:

cos sqrt(g/1) t = cos sqrt(g/0.9) t = 1

...but it's refusing to play along.

Oct 15, 2016

Hi dk_ch below are the Excel results:

Explanation:

I tried plotting the oscillations as cos functions.

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Oct 20, 2016

Time period of a pendulum is given by the expression
T=2pisqrt(l/g)
:.T_0.9=2pisqrt(0.9/9.81)=1.9, rounded to one decimal places
=1900millisec
and T_1.0=2pisqrt(1.0/9.81)=2.0, rounded to one decimal places.
=2000millisec

LCM of both time periods will give the time when both will be in unison (phase) again.
LCM of 1900 and 2000 is 38000millisec
As such the both pendulums will be in phase again after 38 s

During this time both pendulums will have completed different oscillations, which can be calculated from the data above.

This would be approximate value.